Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:45 pm

Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:00 pm

I still benefit from taking typing in HS. That said, I'm sure you can learn using any of the online typing tutors today. The *main* thing is: don't look at the keyboard, no matter what. This'll slow you down at first, but in the end, you'll be a much faster typist, even with the inevitable mistakes.

Yeah, I've been a fan of this method for a while, doesn't hurt that I started getting into artsy mechianical keebs.

https://amzn.to/3QokFgW

My newest keeb my boss bought for me as a thank you.

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 17 2024 05:30 pm

Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:00 pm

Looking back, the two classes I wish I took were typing and auto shop.

I don't remember auto shop being offered at my high school. I think it would have been useful, though I didn't get my driver's license or a car until I was 21.

We had Autoshop, Woodworking, Home Economics (full kitchens, taught kids budgeting, cooking, cleaning... you know, stuff they'll use), Photography (B&W, complete with chemicals and dark room), not to mention a world renoun Jazz Band (They got to go to Japan and Monterey Jazz Fests often.) and a 2000+ seat theater.

Stuff I got to do:
3 years photography (love)
a year of auto (learned oil changes, tune ups, tire repair, and got to pull an engine out of a 83 Volvo).
3 years of trumpet (can still play, poorly)
Got to see about 10 different HS productions of various broadway shows.

Today they have NONE of that. What's replaced it? A new football field! Yeah, because that's what kids need, a one in a billion shot at "making it" and a 1:1,000 chance of getting a concussion. Go Team! All the facilities are still there, they just aren't used.

My daughter is going into HS next year (different school), they teach vocational stuff which I think is good (nursing, cooking, etc), but the lack of emphasis on arts, and stuff kids need to survive is lacking around here.

-A.

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Thu Feb 20 2025 09:15 am

Yeah, because that's what kids need, a one in a billion shot at "making it" and a 1:1,000 chance of getting a concussion. Go Team! All the facilities are still there, they just aren't used.

Sorry, way off topic... I'm on Ubuntu22 LTS. ;P

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Thu Feb 20 2025 09:15 am

We had Autoshop, Woodworking, Home Economics (full kitchens, taught kids budgeting, cooking, cleaning... you know, stuff they'll use), Photography (B&W, complete with chemicals and dark room), not to mention a world renoun Jazz Band (They got to go to Japan and Monterey Jazz Fests often.) and a 2000+ seat theater.

My middle school had woodworking & home economics, though I don't remember my high school having those classes. When I was in 8th grade, they put us in a sort of 'sampler' class where they had us take several different classes for 2-3 weeks at a time so we'd get an idea of what electives we'd want to take, and one of those was a woodworking class.. I had also taken a home economics class, and I remember that class teaching some cooking skills, and I remember having an assignment having to do with sewing.. I don't remember much else from that class. I still use the cooking skills, of course, though I think I learned a lot more about cooking from my dad, and just learning recipes and practicing cooking on my own.

Today they have NONE of that. What's replaced it? A new football field! Yeah, because that's what kids need, a one in a billion shot at "making it" and a 1:1,000 chance of getting a concussion. Go Team! All the facilities are still there, they just aren't used.

I find it odd how much focus they put on sports in school, including college..

Nightfox

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Android8675 to Digital Man on Thu Feb 20 2025 09:02 am

Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:45 pm

Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:00 pm

I still benefit from taking typing in HS. That said, I'm sure you can learn using any of the online typing tutors today. The *main* thing is: don't look at the keyboard, no matter what. This'll slow you down at first, but in the end, you'll be a much faster typist, even with the inevitable mistakes.

Yeah, I've been a fan of this method for a while, doesn't hurt that I started getting into artsy mechianical keebs.

https://amzn.to/3QokFgW

never heard someone call it a keeb.

anyways, i like the reddragon brand. my old one broke because i spilled soda on it. this is the one i have now. very clicky.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07G11G2X8

i have to have volume control on my keyboards. I don't use macros. I also like having a lit keyboard.
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Android8675 wrote to Digital Man <=-

https://amzn.to/3QokFgW

My newest keeb my boss bought for me as a thank you.

Nice keyboard - nice boss!

I went the other way and bought a Logitech MX Master keyboard - it's
quiet, has a bit of tactile feel, and I can switch it between up to 3
different devices. I use it to switch between my home desktop and work
laptop in my home office.



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Android8675 wrote to Nightfox <=-

Stuff I got to do:
3 years photography (love)

I took a photo class at a local junior college after shooting film and
digital for 10 years, and loved it. There's something about the process
when you don't see the picture as soon as you shoot it, and you do all
the things you'd do in Photoshop in the dark room that makes pictures
more meaningful to me.

a year of auto (learned oil changes, tune ups, tire repair, and got to pull an engine out of a 83 Volvo).

Guys in my grade got to work on their own cars, and lots of them had old
70's muscle cars. They saved a TON of money and got a grade for it!

poorly) Got to see about 10 different HS productions of various
broadway shows.

Theater was big in my school, and it's big in my daughter's school -
we've seen some really impressive performances. The kids do all the
backstage work, too. I've been trying to steer her to theater since all
of my theater friends in high school ended up being the cool adults, and
are still close many years later.




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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Android8675 to Digital Man on Thu Feb 20 2025 09:02 am

My newest keeb my boss bought for me as a thank you.

Man, I like mech keybs too, but that one is just way too pricey. In contrast, my daily driver keyboard was $21 total ($12 for the actual keyboard and $9 for some nicer caps). Don't get me wrong, I've spent over a hundred on ones for older computers, but nothing as high as that one :).

Were we on a topic of window managers? I've always liked super lightweight ones like fvwm2, windowmaker, blackbox/fluxbox, etc... but lately after they got rid of that horrible piece of garbage KDE and replaced it with that new Plasma desktop or whatever it's called, it's pretty nice! Would totally recommend Kubuntu to anyone that wants to play with Linux.

XFCE is NOT lightweight. It's barely lighter than Gnome 3.

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Hey phigan!

On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 05:29:04 -0700, you wrote:

Were we on a topic of window managers? I've always liked super
lightweight ones like fvwm2, windowmaker, blackbox/fluxbox, etc... but lately after they got rid of that horrible piece of garbage KDE and
replaced it with that new Plasma desktop or whatever it's called, it's pretty nice! Would totally recommend Kubuntu to anyone that wants to
play with Linux.

I've always been a fan of fluxbox, but pretty much got tired of spending hours making it look nice. Otherwise most other tiling WMs have always left something lacking for me. Maybe I'm just too needy. ;)

I agree on Plasma desktop. It's probably the smoothest desktop out there right now, but it probably doesn't bode too well on older hardware, as it's about as bloated as Windows.

XFCE is NOT lightweight. It's barely lighter than Gnome 3.

It definitely used to be, but they've added so much to it, and once you install most of the same things gnome relies on in order for things to work properly, that it can't really be considered 'lightweight' any more.

Regards,
Nick

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phigan wrote to Android8675 <=-

Were we on a topic of window managers? I've always liked super
lightweight ones like fvwm2, windowmaker, blackbox/fluxbox, etc... but lately after they got rid of that horrible piece of garbage KDE and replaced it with that new Plasma desktop or whatever it's called, it's pretty nice! Would totally recommend Kubuntu to anyone that wants to
play with Linux.

Ummmm.... Plasma is just the new KDE. It's still KDE.

XFCE is NOT lightweight. It's barely lighter than Gnome 3.

I'd consider XFCE to be a middleweight, with Gnome a heavyweight, and
KDE a oversize-unlimited-super-heavyweight.



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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: phigan to Android8675 on Sat Feb 22 2025 05:29 am

XFCE is NOT lightweight. It's barely lighter than Gnome 3.

It used to be talked about as lightweight (and Linux Mint with XFCE promoted it as a 'more lightweight' UI environment), but from Accession's comment about it, I can see how it could have become less lightweight.

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phigan wrote to Android8675 <=-

Were we on a topic of window managers? I've always liked super
lightweight ones like fvwm2, windowmaker, blackbox/fluxbox, etc... but lately after they got rid of that horrible piece of garbage KDE and replaced it with that new Plasma desktop or whatever it's called, it's pretty nice! Would totally recommend Kubuntu to anyone that wants to
play with Linux.

I started using Lubuntu on single-core Thinkpads and liked it. It could
install in 512mb of RAM, I usually ran it in 2GB. LXDE was a nice
environment and the apps were smaller/lighter than the usual - Sylpheed
for email instead of Thunderbird, for example. It felt like old school
Ubuntu with enough eye candy to keep me entertained.

I liked Crashbang/BunsenLabs as well, think they used Blackbox. They
still supported 32-bit CPUs without PAE, for some reason Thinkpads of
that time supported PAE but didn't report it.

They switched to LXQT a while back, haven't used it since.



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My newest keeb my boss bought for me as a thank you.

Man, I like mech keybs too, but that one is just way too pricey. In contrast, my daily driver keyboard was $21 total ($12 for the actual keyboard and $9 for some nicer caps). Don't get me wrong, I've spent
over a hundred on ones for older computers, but nothing as high as that one :).

I recently bought a used cheapy 67% mech keyboard and its been my favorite computer upgrade in a LONG time. I love it...

I think I'm gonna go down the rabbit-hole as I prefer having F-keys; a 75% layout looks perfect to me. You don't have to spend $200+ anymore to get a really great mech keyboard, but I'm interested in something a little more premium to get away from the all plastic housing.

Buying used was neat in my experience, too, because the guy put a cool set of caps on AND had re-greased the keys and showed me how/told me a bit about how to spruce up even the cheaper modular keyboard hardware.



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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: paulie420 to phigan on Sat Feb 22 2025 09:33 am

I recently bought a used cheapy 67% mech keyboard and its been my favorite computer upgrade in a LONG time. I love it...

I swear by my Logitech MX Master because I need to switch between my work and home PC. If that changes, I'm going to go so far down the mechanical keyboard rabbithole, so hard.

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I recently bought a used cheapy 67% mech keyboard and its been my favor computer upgrade in a LONG time. I love it...

I swear by my Logitech MX Master because I need to switch between my
work and home PC. If that changes, I'm going to go so far down the mechanical keyboard rabbithole, so hard.

... most of the mechanical keyboards [All brands] use the same mainboard/setup - most have wired, USB dongle and bluetooth. The bluetooth can be paired to three devices and can be switched with a Fn+Q/W/E.



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I swear by my Logitech MX Master because I need to switch between my work and

>me PC. If that changes, I'm going to go so far down the mechanical keyboard r
>ithole, so hard.

I know this has nothing to do with the newer super keyboards you guys
have been talking about but, just as a curiosity, the Maxiswitch keyboard
I am using to write this I have used since about 2 years after it was manufactured - in June of 1991. They don't build them like that anymore. B)

I do have a gaming keyboard with all the flashy lights and supposedly
good for zillions of keystrokes, but I'm so used to this one I will
keep using it until it finally dies..

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Nightfox to Android8675 on Thu Feb 20 2025 10:12 am

Today they have NONE of that. What's replaced it? A new football field! Yeah, because that's what kids need, a one in a billion shot at "making it" and a 1:1,000 chance of getting a concussion. Go Team! All the facilities are still there, they just aren't used.

I find it odd how much focus they put on sports in school, including college..

It's where the money is. Old money are a buncha dying codgers who could care less about the future. Honestly... it's sad. Used to be there was football and there were other things for kids to do. Now there's Internet.

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: MRO to Android8675 on Thu Feb 20 2025 01:13 pm

anyways, i like the reddragon brand. my old one broke because i spilled soda on it. this is the one i have now. very clicky.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07G11G2X8

i have to have volume control on my keyboards. I don't use macros. I also like having a lit keyboard.

Red Dragons are great starters. When you get into the stuff at Drop.com where you can buy a sample set of different switches, pick the ones you like, get a set of high quality keycaps, buy a barebones all aluminum base keyboard with quick swap key sockets (no soldering needed) and a cool coiled usb cable.

Sit back and realize you just spent more money on a "keeb" than your entire piece of shit Dell Inspiron... then you'll know you have an issue.

Just having a base made of aluminum is pretty cool. This keeb could take out a would be attacker, no problem.

-A.

I'm looking at a mechanical keyboard for my Atari 800 at the moment.

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: phigan to Android8675 on Sat Feb 22 2025 05:29 am

My newest keeb my boss bought for me as a thank you.

Man, I like mech keybs too, but that one is just way too pricey. In contrast, my daily driver keyboard was $21 total ($12 for the actual keyboard and $9 for some nicer caps). Don't get me wrong, I've spent over a hundred on ones for older computers, but nothing as high as that one :).

Read my previous post, this one I got because it was cheap. (got it on sale so it wasn't at whatever price you saw, gotta know where and when to buy these things)

I can't use cheap keyboards anymore. those flat chicklet dell keyboards that cost nothing cause my carpal to flare up. Probably the reason I have bad wrists is because I didn't own a decent keeb until a while ago.

If money was no object I could easily spend $500 on one keyboard and be thrilled as punch. I'd have to have a system to match though, so that'll never happen. I can't cheap out on something I spend so many hours a day using.

Were we on a topic of window managers? I've always liked super lightweight ones like fvwm2, windowmaker, blackbox/fluxbox, etc... but lately after they

I never understood windowsmanagers, I typically just use whatever the distro comes with, but I only have one Linux install at the moment and it's running headless, so... When I remote in I think it's running... geez I have no idea. /shame.

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Android8675 on Fri Feb 21 2025 07:58 am

Stuff I got to do:
3 years photography (love)

I took a photo class at a local junior college after shooting film and digital for 10 years, and loved it. There's something about the process
when you don't see the picture as soon as you shoot it, and you do all
the things you'd do in Photoshop in the dark room that makes pictures
more meaningful to me.

Cabrillo? I did photography there, my teacher had spent time with Ansel Adams and while a wealth of knowledge, he wasn't the best teacher. Made me feel bad because I didn't have the best artistic vision. Whatever, got to use a dark room. :)

Theater was big in my school, and it's big in my daughter's school -
we've seen some really impressive performances. The kids do all the backstage work, too. I've been trying to steer her to theater since all
of my theater friends in high school ended up being the cool adults, and
are still close many years later.

Good daddy! I still see the theater geeks around the Internet from time to time, still being creative or awesome.

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Android8675 to MRO on Fri Feb 28 2025 07:59 am

i have to have volume control on my keyboards. I don't use macros. I also like having a lit keyboard.

Red Dragons are great starters. When you get into the stuff at Drop.com where you can buy a sample set of different switches, pick the ones you like, get a set of high quality keycaps, buy a barebones all aluminum base keyboard with quick swap key sockets (no soldering needed) and a cool coiled usb cable.

Sit back and realize you just spent more money on a "keeb" than your entire piece of shit Dell Inspiron... then you'll know you have an issue.

Just having a base made of aluminum is pretty cool. This keeb could take out a would be attacker, no problem.

i think the best keyboard i ever had was a g15 logitech. it wasn't mechanical or anything but it felt great. broke way too easy. i broke 2 keyboards just cleaning them. https://i.imgur.com/boK1rOh.jpeg

i've had aluminum keyboards and other clicky keyboards. i just need something lighted up and clicky because i'm in the dark. also i need a volume control wheel.
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Hey Android8675!

On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 08:05:16 -0800, you wrote:

I never understood windowsmanagers, I typically just use whatever the distro comes with, but I only have one Linux install at the moment
and it's running headless, so... When I remote in I think it's
running... geez I have no idea. /shame.

Not sure what you don't understand about window managers. They're all very different in their own regard, gives people choice, and you aren't forced to use one specific one on whatever you choose to run as a distro. You can even make your own distro, if you want.

With the open source community, any single person can make their own window manager to suit their needs. If it gains popularity, it sometimes gets used as an option in a distro's install process (some distros offer a selection of window managers you can choose from during install, etc).

It just comes down to freedom and choice, is all.

Regards,
Nick

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MRO wrote to Android8675 <=-

i've had aluminum keyboards and other clicky keyboards. i just need something lighted up and clicky because i'm in the dark.

Well tell your mom to get the bulbs replaced down there in the basement
of her house. Duh!




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Android8675 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Cabrillo? I did photography there, my teacher had spent time with Ansel Adams and while a wealth of knowledge, he wasn't the best teacher. Made
me feel bad because I didn't have the best artistic vision. Whatever,
got to use a dark room. :)

Laney College, in Oakland, probably around 2002 or so. The teacher was
adamant that one assignment was crucial, and you would flunk if you
failed to turn it in. He re-iterated "If you don't turn in this
assignment, you can take this class over again. If you turn it in, you can't..."

I think the class was $35 a semester, plus chemistry. You could get into
the dark room any time they had an open bay, and the teacher sold
expired Tri-X he had in his freezer for $1.25 a roll.




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Android8675 wrote to phigan <=-

I can't use cheap keyboards anymore. those flat chicklet dell keyboards that cost nothing cause my carpal to flare up. Probably the reason I
have bad wrists is because I didn't own a decent keeb until a while
ago.

I still want to find a Focus 2001 keyboard. I miss the clicky but
non-effort keyboards from the '90s. I think they were ALPS key switches
back then. They have the old AT connector, so I'd need to figure some
way to get to USB.

I did some googling around and found this, in black with USB!

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/xtneip/if_you_know_you_know_black_focus_fk2001/

I did all of my BBSing in the 90s with one of these or a Model M.

If money was no object I could easily spend $500 on one keyboard and be thrilled as punch. I'd have to have a system to match though, so
that'll never happen. I can't cheap out on something I spend so many
hours a day using.

I started splurging on keyboards, monitors and mice at work - those are relatively cheap and they're what people's impressions of PCs are mostly
based on. Although, I haven't seen a desktop PC in any of my company's offices... All laptops.


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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Android8675 to MRO on Fri Feb 28 2025 07:59 am

I'm looking at a mechanical keyboard for my Atari 800 at the moment.

There's one that is I think open source and at least one person has put a few together. If you haven't found one yet, talk to Divarin on Mutiny:Community BBS at mutinybbs.com:2300. He can tell you how he put several together to keep costs down (sold a few).

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Android8675 on Sat Mar 01 2025 06:50 am

Laney College, in Oakland, probably around 2002 or so. The teacher was adamant that one assignment was crucial, and you would flunk if you
failed to turn it in. He re-iterated "If you don't turn in this
assignment, you can take this class over again. If you turn it in, you can't..."

I think the class was $35 a semester, plus chemistry. You could get into
the dark room any time they had an open bay, and the teacher sold
expired Tri-X he had in his freezer for $1.25 a roll.

That straight up sounds amazing. SOme of the best shots I ever did was those happy accidents that Bob Ross always taught, and you cannot make happy accidents if all your shit is perfect.

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Android8675 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Apr 14 2025 08:22 am

That straight up sounds amazing. SOme of the best shots I ever did was those happy accidents that Bob Ross always taught, and you cannot make happy accidents if all your shit is perfect.

One of my favorite shots from the class was of the garbage can, filled with almost-but-not-quite black and white prints.

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